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  • From Terrapin Trader on 262 W/e 08AprOptions Expiry Looms

    262- when you try to break something it somehow defies the odds and just works. So that trade would now be worth about 124 to close out -in one day. 56 profit, but it can’t really be run to expiry…..or can it?

    2022/04/11 at 8:59 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on 258 W/e11Mar Calendar Spread time

    258 MASSIVE winner! 96
    257?…… 222.5+18.5 = 241 -that is the cost to close- CREDIT was aggregate 434. 193 MASSIVE WIN!
    What does it take to help peopl understand that options work ?

    2022/03/18 at 8:44 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on 256 W/e 25Feb Options in Unhappy Times

    sidelines proved to be best as this would have beeen closed out for 444 on Tuesday but more likely  an ugly loss of 200 today- Friday with the FTSE at 7168 

    2022/03/04 at 12:26 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on 254W/e11 Feb Options in a Conflict?

    This morning Trade 254- long 5x Feb 7500 puts short 1x Mar 7500 put did this:
    5 x84, 1×195. While the Mar Put doubled our Feb puts quadrupled.
    Profit 225, minus the cost, 3. Gives us 222. That’s £2,222 for one round turn of this puppy.

    2022/02/14 at 6:22 pm
  • From Thie Week’s Musings on CFD – at May 30, 2021 at 12:49PM – Dave's Finance Ramblings on 221 W/e 28May A Strangler's Dream

    […] http://optionsinvesting.co.uk/221-w-e-28may-a-stranglers-dream/ […]

    2021/05/30 at 12:22 pm
    • From Terrapin Trader on 221 W/e 28May A Strangler's Dream

      We trade options as CFDs are really not helpful- a brutal palying field where > 80% get blown up -good luck

      2021/05/30 at 1:11 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on 219 W/E 07May Chinese Rocket Week

    Well to quote, the market can “EAT MY SHORTS”
    Our combo- now a credit 79-6= 73 WIN, close out take a break.

    2021/05/11 at 9:35 am
  • From BEK on 219 W/E 07May Chinese Rocket Week

    Duplication from earlier reply. did not check the boxes before ( I believe).

    Let me know what your objective is with the blog and what kind of reactions you are looking for.

    I checked the “strategies tab, but did not get a clear impression about the types of (option) trades you favor.

    2021/05/09 at 5:16 pm
    • From Terrapin Trader on 219 W/E 07May Chinese Rocket Week

      OK This is solely about trading the UK index FTSE100 monthly options which are European style. EAch week I show a different trade. The point is you can win so many ways with options .

      2021/05/11 at 9:42 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on 218 W/e 30Apr Ratio, Puts in May

    132.5- 109 our ratio spread(Trade 218) has absurdly dropped in value from 40 to 23.5. That is our reward- we take 16.5 credit from this. There has to have been a huge drop in vol, the FTSE is up about 50, yet the US is down currently.
    However this is an extraordinary result- we’d take profits here, and run for fun.
    Happy Star Wars day.

    2021/05/04 at 9:09 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on 216 W/e 16Apr Options Expiry. Straddle, Losses and Reactive Trading

    In retrospect doing nothing would have given us at least a 30% profit but we have locked in a solid 16% with little risk and possibility of bigger rewards.
    What would you do? The straddle was ‘cheap’ and theta was not not brutal in the first day.

    2021/04/22 at 11:16 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on 216 W/e 16Apr Options Expiry. Straddle, Losses and Reactive Trading

    So as of last night here’s the maths: our initial debit 195, with the legging in we have a zero cost (tiny credit ) trade. What if we closed out?
    7050 straddle now 61+135= 196
    our call position 61 minus 28 +18.5 = 14.5 credit(7050 long, short at 7150, 7200)
    our put position 7050/6950/6850 butterfly: 135+57.5, minus 88×2=176. Credit of 16.5
    We made 30 on our initial debit of 195 with almost no risk and a lame market.

    2021/04/20 at 8:13 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on 216 W/e 16Apr Options Expiry. Straddle, Losses and Reactive Trading

    So- as promised we leg in by selling 2x 7150 calls at 36 =72
    we buy 1×6850 put at 48= 48
    we sell 2×6950 puts at 91=182(market has dropped but only 40 points)
    We now have a put butterfly and a call ratio spread,
    and a small credit of 206-195= 11.
    We use that to roll up our short 7150 call to 7200. Now our risk is out further to 7300.

    2021/04/19 at 3:25 pm
  • From Joe on 207 W/e12Feb Economy Crushed, FTSE Up

    Good presentation!

    2021/02/15 at 7:43 am
    • From Terrapin Trader on 207 W/e12Feb Economy Crushed, FTSE Up


      2021/02/15 at 8:17 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on 204 W/e22Jan-Biden's Options

    I was hoping for some feedback- those Deltas in Trade 204
    6800 call long + 32
    5700call short -45
    5700put short +58
    5600 put long -43
    Actual Deltas +02 as you’d expect from any kind of butterfly

    2021/01/24 at 8:47 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on 200 W/e 18 Dec Strangles, Ratios, Butterflies

    As captured this morning -prices for Trade 200 but seriously, this may not go well as they are highly variable and unknown.
    Strike 6150 355 for the call and 59.5 (x3) for the put
    Strike 6200 314 and 69(x3)
    The above for January expiry – the calcs to be shown in due course

    2020/12/21 at 10:31 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on 192 W/E 09Oct Butterfly Strangle Options Trade

    Apologies- late with the weekend strangler: 6200 call 63.5 5700 put 64. Nov expiries

    2020/10/12 at 9:29 am
    • From Michael on 192 W/E 09Oct Butterfly Strangle Options Trade

      Where do you get your ftse 100 options quotes from?, the quotes are hard to find, I would like to start trying out some strategies that I sue for SPX.

      2020/10/30 at 5:46 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on 191 W/E 02 Oct Revisiting The Jade Lizard

    189 41+ 22 for the original, and for the Delat neutral 31.5 plus the original credit 30. Deffo a nice win.

    190 Debit 4 now it’s…. 24.5-(12 +3)= 19.5. Well you have nearly quintupled your stake!

    191 The Jade Lizard … now 25 to close- we took in 51, so let’s say we close out and take 50% of max profit. Happy?

    2020/10/08 at 10:17 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 189 Week Ending 18 Sept Options Expire

    Yowser!!!! Did not see such a drop coming and this has spanked trade 189 in its full delta neutral state. Should have stuck with plan A the 3 to 1 ratio. However one day’s drop doesn’t make a catastrophe.
    The weekend strangler?….. Said they’d go belly up sooner or later, and such a strategy opening the trade before the weekend means sitting on a lot of discomfort as in the long run it looks like they might break even or at worst lose money hand over fist. FTSE has been kind in the last month or so. There may be much more pain to come. Stay safe people.

    2020/09/21 at 5:13 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 189 Week Ending 18 Sept Options Expire

    Apologies for minor edit having missed out a link and a typo

    2020/09/19 at 2:51 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 188 Week Ending 11 September

    So… our little combo did hardly anything -at best about 6, but let’s see what happens
    The weekend strangler using those same options? Dammit -95 so it made 114-95= 19.
    I think long term it’ll break even with a lot of sleep lost

    2020/09/15 at 2:12 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 182 Week Ending 31July

    Trade180 now 13.5 credit
    Trade 181 poss 23
    Trade 182-no change!- despite the huge move- this is purely a volatility play
    Weekend strangler 72 credit to open- now 82.5

    2020/08/04 at 7:56 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 177 Week Ending 26June Hitting The Beaches Adversely

    Trade 177 could close out for small credit 6.5, added to credit in trade entry 22. Win 28.5 but we run for fun

    2020/06/30 at 9:24 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 177 Week Ending 26June Hitting The Beaches Adversely

    About 48 to close Trade 176 paid 12.5 -FTSE seems a little unsteady now.300% profit -I’d be boasting about this and selling a trading system for millions if that was the aim.

    2020/06/30 at 9:20 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 176 Week Ending 19th June Triple Witching

    Well, I’ll eat my shorts! That wretched strangle?… 150.5 to sell to open, 125 to buy to close. 25.5 profit. Annoying? Probably only for me but it comes from high to low vol period

    2020/06/23 at 11:28 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 175 Week Ending 12 June Normal Has Left The Building

    Good grief!
    Yet again the trade holds up- put is now 70 despite the big drop at the open,and the call is 48. We took in 152 and this is now 118 to close -34 gain. though of course margin would have been hefty

    2020/06/15 at 11:56 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade Zero 0.8 Week Ending 1st May

    Debit 19 -close out for 30 -it’s that easy. Every week.
    May 5000 put 13×3= 39 Jun 5000 put=69.

    2020/05/04 at 10:23 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade Zero.0.7 Week Ending 24 April

    289 to close-would you? Profit 60 -comfortable winner with more to go…….
    Also the previous weks’ call 3×1 looks rosier too

    2020/04/28 at 10:11 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade Zero.0.7 Week Ending 24 April

    Apologies for my ignorance- it’s YIN and YANG, not YING.
    Karma will doubtless make me pay

    2020/04/27 at 1:28 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade Zero 0.6 Week Ending 17 April

    The 3×1 call ratio spread. 5800 184.5 6000 (96 x3)= 288. Credit 103.5
    Now cost of 56 to close, so 103.5-56=47.5- would you? It’s a fantastic profit though margin would be ££££££
    Compared to naked(ugh!) calls 96-64.5=31.5.
    We are better by 50% and it’s a shedload more interesting.

    2020/04/21 at 10:34 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade ZERO Week Ending 06March

    Not sure what to say as the butterfly is still worth about 11 but it’s 1,000 points in the money. Cannot see FTSE jumping that much next week, so personally I’d close out and keep my few pence in the purse. Others may let it run,and the Devil take the hindmost!

    2020/03/14 at 7:41 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade ZERO Week Ending 06March

    prices for the butterfly: 6300:427-445 6150:335.5-353.5 6000: 261-277
    mid prices 436, 346.5 x2= 693, 269. 705-693= 12. Not a trade to set the world alight but as it’s cheap as chips it has to run.

    2020/03/10 at 4:54 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade ZERO Week Ending 06March

    Sorry! Omitted a key phrase with the profit potential of our butterfly. I would advise anyone who has allocated time to trading and is sidelined for now to do some research. How long until some genius comes up with a vaccine for cover-19? We have some major computing power now with several quantum computers online. Money will not even be relevant.
    We will return to normality, I believe, but for now, trading is gambling as we have no edge.
    Take a look back at some of the links to free education or you can message us here

    2020/03/08 at 11:53 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 170 Week Ending 21 February

    We lose trade 170 as the world appears to be in deep trouble with COVID-19. Of course this trader took a hit withown account but had to close out- we may have to suspend our weekly trade ideas as the stockmarket is no longer the place to be, and trading even deep out of the money as I do has been a disaster. Out-of-the-money may not be a term with the market tanking- even 500 points below looks risky.

    2020/02/27 at 2:24 pm
  • From FFS on Trade 169 Week Ending 14th ♥ February

    Fantastic. I’ve been reading your posts since 1999 on the now defunct fool.co.uk site.
    Thanks for sharing.

    On this trade, the potential loss is quite sizeable, as it contains a naked call and put. How would you manage this trade if the index was at 7500 right now (20-Feb)? The short calls would both be ATM, with considerable time value.

    PS – what software do you use to model the P/L for a trade like this. I have Option Net Explorer, but it doesn’t handle the FTSE index.

    2020/02/20 at 12:49 pm
    • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 169 Week Ending 14th ♥ February

      You are 100% correct you do have a naked element on both sides, but given the powerful theta in this last week, premiums will be dramatically crushed for the short options.(Remember we SOLD Feb options and BOUGHT March) Say for example you found FTSE at 7520 at expiry- the short calls would be worth 20×2, but the long March call 7550 would certainly be more than 50. In extremes, you’d be looking to sell more options in the new month,and adjusting dynamically. FWIW I backtested this many years ago and came to the conclusion that in the last week FTSE never does more than ±3.6%.So, I placed a similar trade and FTSE went up 4%. That is a 1 in 200 event, and Sod’s law it would bite me. Back then I lacked the vision to see how I could adjust the position.I should have carried on with it.
      I occasionally use http://optioncreator.com/stuskul
      And ALWAYS use https://www.cmegroup.com/tools-information/quikstrike/options-calculator.html?utm_source=LINKEDIN_COMPANY
      When I post these trades I do only give a few minutes thought, I have my own rules andstrategies which do sometimes coincide with the posts here.
      Delighted to receive comments, always.

      2020/02/22 at 11:35 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 169 Week Ending 14th ♥ February

    Trade 169- paid 27……. now it’s 45. Anyone else making >50% in a day? Thought so. options give you wings to quote. Nothing else comes close.

    2020/02/18 at 9:23 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 168 Week Ending 07February

    Trade 166 now looking at healthy profit minimum 36
    Trade 167 that straddle- 185, profit 208.5-185 =23.5
    168 profit 1.5+4.=5.5. This was not what we were looking for but closed out as the panic did not materialise. Ideally we need a move of 70-80 for these to yield 20 or more.

    2020/02/11 at 1:37 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 164 Week ending 10 January

    Trade 162 looking AMAZING!!!! Who expected that? Cost of 6 to close giving a mahoosive 43.5. Next up our rinse and repeat Trade 164 now 52 – a tiny profit on 39.5 but hey 30% -the stuff of dreams for stock traders

    2020/01/15 at 9:48 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 160 Week Ending 06December

    You couldn’t make it up. Remember for fun we kept an alternative Trade 158- that butterfly is now 32.5. Winner! Up 50%
    Trade 159
    7450 call 46, 7500 call 29 7550 call 17 7600 call 9 7650 call 4.5
    Now 23 (-11+5) + (5-(2.5×2))= 7. Bit of a fiddle around but it made 7 for zero cost
    Trade160- that was already a modest win despite trying to find the worst trade! (Had we held on it would be a loss of 18). Exit is everything-but had we held it…… we’ll see what Monday brings but my own conviction was to saty on the sidelines. The exuberance may fade quickly.

    2019/12/13 at 3:37 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 160 Week Ending 06December

    So…… you have to laugh- the most horrendous trade selection the 7250 straddle is now about 142, sold for 158.5
    I repeatedly say I am not a good trader and this is dumb luck. But….. it’s another example of being wrong and being profitable. Personally I thought the trade was bad as there could have been an exogenous event by a political extremist- or even some truth coming out about Boris’s children!
    The markets love Boris and really really hate the old chap, the nice one with his allotment

    2019/12/12 at 11:23 am
  • From Gary on Trade 160 Week Ending 06December


    I found myself on your website, (cant remember how i got here) but have found it interesting, but i need to learn a lot more, and reasonably quickly as im 58 now….

    Can i learn here, or a starting point/ book etc you’d suggest?

    As you say, charts can mean all sorts to all sorts of people, in all sorts of timeframes .

    Apologies, as i know you would have had same question a thousand times

    Regards Gary Simmons

    2019/12/10 at 8:25 pm
    • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 160 Week Ending 06December

      Have emailed you from Gmail

      2019/12/10 at 10:32 pm
  • From Trade 159 Week Ending 29November - Options Investing : Options Investing on Trade158 Week Ending 22November Still Winning

    […] Terrapin Trader says: November 26, 2019 at 8:20 pm […]

    2019/11/30 at 4:53 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade158 Week Ending 22November Still Winning

    How did we do with Trade 158? 57.5-22.5= 35 minus 13.5 = 21.5
    Another fantastic winner-because options strategies work. With 5 contracts you’d have £1k in your bin by end of day- a managed risk trade- had it gone the other way, we’d have some juice left in the calls to buy put protection- but we don’t get to see that.
    The butterfly as you’d expect -indifferent now 21- a bit rubbish really, though if you’d sold a put to finance it? Peachy.

    2019/11/25 at 7:25 pm
    • From Terrapin Trader on Trade158 Week Ending 22November Still Winning

      It’s 25 now but that butterfly? 22 but if you’d sold a dip OTM put to part finance it, then it would have been an ok trade too. My own approach is basically never pay a lot for anything -options should be like LIDL!

      2019/11/26 at 8:20 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 157 Week Ending15 November

    Well- you could knock me down with a feather. Trade 157 SMASHED IT!!!!!
    We paid 9 -remember?
    We close out for 7450 call= 61, 7550call= 26, 6700 put= 7 Giving us 28- or 200%.
    But we know better than to boast about our wins. This is about a modest trade, and the market giving us a peachy exit. Did we know the FTSE was going to have such a day? Of course not-we have no expectations we just like the odds in our favour, our costs low, and our risk super manageable. This trade needed some margin so the 200% is kind of academic-but be honest what else would you be doing with your cash? We like these little sniper sytle trades and we must always be ready to take a profit. FTSE smashed down too, after smashing up. Perhaps we can get some volatility when we’d most like it.

    2019/11/19 at 6:56 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade156 Week Ending 08Nov

    trade 156 hit a massive 60 as Nigel Farage duly obliged- I owe you a pint,sir! Details to be published in next issue

    2019/11/12 at 7:48 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 151 Week Ending 04October

    Feel free to ignore my previous response! That trade is now a get out of jail for zero! You’d lose the 19 premium, but as I have repeatedly said a calendar trade should be given its room to perform and we have another 6 trading days to go.Bad trader, bad trader!( I may have mentioned that before ) Please remember this site is about options not about this idiot’s terrible views and opinions

    2019/10/10 at 4:25 pm
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade 151 Week Ending 04October

    Ok a bit late but this week we could have closed out Trade 150 for a loss of around 50 on tuesday- but with 19 debit already paid this represents a 69 loss. Our heaviest ever. This could however be mitigated by adjustment/ rolling over. We can look at this in the weekend update

    2019/10/10 at 11:47 am
  • From Terrapin Trader on Trade149 Week ending Friday 13th

    LOL! Trade 149- already lost 10, or 12.5%. But would you sell so near to expiry?

    2019/09/17 at 9:50 am
  • From zxcv on Trade146- Yes, Panic! Orange Alert

    I actually opened the 6950/6850/6750 fly today based on the one you mentioned (couldn’t do the 7000 strike as I already have short puts at that strike as part of another trade) for 7.

    Just a little flutter in case the FTSE decides to go downhill.

    Will keep you updated.

    2019/08/27 at 4:28 pm
    • From Terrapin Trader on Trade146- Yes, Panic! Orange Alert

      I have often been surprised by butterflies-you think they are so loaded with comms they won’t do much. If I was trading the US with comms at <$1 I'd be doubling my activity-it shouldn't be this way but there are so few UK options traders. I'm doing 30- 60 lots per month- I know it's rude to mention size. Happy trading

      2019/08/28 at 7:35 am
  • From zxcv on Trade146- Yes, Panic! Orange Alert

    The Put fly (trade 146) looks interesting. I’ll see how it is priced when the market opens on Tue, and use modelling software to see what the P/L diagram is like, esp if the FTSE rises back up a little.

    Thanks and happy trading.

    2019/08/25 at 10:54 am
    • From Terrapin Trader on Trade146- Yes, Panic! Orange Alert

      nice to get feedback- in all honesty I set myself a limited amount of time to select trades but I am not a methodical trader with spreadsheets and the like. I just look at the options chain and the prices often suggest a trade. Trump may change course on tariffs now so we may see a bump up.
      Enjoy. T1

      2019/08/25 at 5:04 pm
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    • From Terrapin Trader on Alpha and Beta

      No- it is for free- I share my options knowledge sotraders can stop doing sumb things like forex!

      2019/08/18 at 9:44 am
  • From zxcv on Trade145 Week Ending 16 August- Don't Panic!

    Loving the site Terrapin (you’ll remember that name from the Fool site years ago 🙂 ).

    Keep trading, keep winning.

    2019/08/17 at 7:23 pm
    • From Terrapin Trader on Trade145 Week Ending 16 August- Don't Panic!

      Cheers zx- how I miss the Fool- my trading buddy owned the domain name so I just started blogging and here we are 145 trades in, with a tiny handful of small losers. Not because I’m smart but because options are the best trading vehicle. I once beta tested a system that had 14 consecutive losers,though overall it made money, nobody can deal with that mentally. Small wins are fine, but for us doing multiple lots we can make ££££ without the terrors of directional trading. Hope you are doing well

      2019/08/18 at 9:48 am
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